>> A HUMAN MOMENT IN THE MIDDLE OF A WAR. JOINING US IS SENATOR ANGUS KING OF MAINE. HE SITS ON THE ARMED SERVICES COMMITTEE. THIS IS ONE EXAMPLE OF HOW DEVASTATING THIS IS FOR UKRAINIANS.Why Putin Is Losing The Information War
>> DEVASTATING AND -- YEAH, DEVASTATING AND SENSELESS. VLADIMIR PUTIN HAS MADE A TERRIBLE MISCALCULATION. What was so scary about Tesla’s ideas? DecodedHE THOUGHT THIS WAS GOING TO BE A WALK OVER. AND REMEMBER HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THEIR ARMY BEING PEACEKEEPERS. I THINK HE THOUGHT THEY WERE GOING TO BE GREETED AS LIBERATORS AND INSTEAD THEY'RE MEETING FIERCE RESISTANCE AND THE DAMAGE.
WHAT I REALLY FEAR IS OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL DAYS, THERE'S GOING TO BE A RAMP UP IN THE BRUTALITY OF HITTING CIVILIANS AND WE'RE OF HITTING CIVILIANS AND WE'RE ALREADY SEEING THAT IN MARIUPOL AND SMALLER CITIES.
PUTIN OUGHT TO LOOK ARE FOR AN OFF RAMP INSTEAD OF ESCALATING SOMETHING THAT, IN THE END, I DON'T THINK HE CAN WIN. >> THERE'S A QUESTION HE'S GETTING REAL INFORMATION FROM THE FRONT. PERHAPS HE'S STRESSFUL AND ANGRY AT THE SLOW MARCH OF THE CONVOY.
>> WELL, DON'T THINK HE IS. HE'S CREATED A SITUATION. ONE OF THE PRINCIPALS OF LEADERSHIP IS YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PEOPLE ROUND YOU WHO AREN'T AFRAID OF YOU, WHO CAN TELL YOU THE TRUTH, OTHERWISE YOU MAKE BIG MISTAKES. THIS COULD BE EA WORLD CLASS EXAMPLE. YOU SEE HIM WITH PICTURES AT A LONG TABLE AND PEOPLE AT THE FAR END.
THAT'S NOT A RECIPE FOR OPEN AND HONEST DISCUSSION. APPARENTLY FROM OPEN SOURCE REPORTING, HE WAS WARNED THAT THIS COULD BE MORE OF A PROBLEM AND WARNED THE SANCTIONS COULD BE A BIGGER PROBLEM FOR THE RUSSIAN ECONOMY BUT HIGH HAD THIS DELUSION ABOUT GREATER RUSSIA AND THAT UKRAINE WAS REALLY PART OF RUSSIA.
AND HE GROSSLY UNDERESTIMATED THE RESISTANCE OF THE UKRAINIAN PEOPLE AND TWO OTHER THINGS. THE LEADERSHIP OF PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY AND THE LEADERSHIP IN THE WEST. THE UNITY THAT WE'VE SEEN. WHEN SWITZERLAND IS GETTING INVOLVED, YOU KNOW THAT YOU'RE TURNING QUICKLY INTO A PARIAH STATE. >> FOR ALL THAT WEST IS DOING, AND YOU MENTIONED GERMANY CHANGING ITS POLICIES ON WEAPONS DELIVERIES. WILL THE WEAPONS, WILL THE SUPPLIES, THE FUEL, THE AMMO GET THERE IN TIME?
THE FOREIGN MINISTER WAS TALKING TO SECRETARY OF STATE BLINKEN PLEADING WITH MORE HELP FOR THEIR AIR FORCE. >> THERE'S A LOT OF AID COMING IN FROM NATO COUNTRIES, AS WELL AS THIS COUNTRY AND COMING IN FAST. I THINK THE REALITY, AND WE HAVE TO BE CLEAR EYED ABOUT THIS. THAT THE RUSSIANS HAVE THE ADVANTAGE. THEY'RE SURROUNDING THE COUNTRY ON THREE SIDES.
THEY'RE GETTING COOPERATION, MORE THAN THEY SHOULD, IN MY OPINION, FROM BELARUS AND THEY HAVE THE FIRE POWER. THE UKRAINIAN RESISTANCE AND THEIR ARMY HAS BEEN JUST ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE. I THINK THE RUSSIANS WERE EXPECTING A THREE-DAY WAR AND IT'S NOW LOOKING LIKE A MUCH LONGER SLUG.
AND BE MUCH MORE CAREFUL, PARTICULARLY IF YOU'RE IN A CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE INDUSTRY FINANCE SECTOR, ENERGY SECTOR, PIPELINES. WATER. THAT'S WHERE THE DANGER IS. AND AS I SAY, THE GOVERNMENT IS DOING A LOT INDIVIDUALS HAVE TO DO IT TOO.
THIS IS ONE WHERE IT'S AN UNUSUAL SITUATION. CONFLICT YOU NORMALLY THINK OF BETWEEN ARMIES AND ARMIES. NAVIES AND NAVIES. THE TARGET SPACE IS IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR AND WE'RE DOING ALL WE CAN TO HELP PROTECT AND THE BILL PASSED LAST NIGHT IS A HUGE STEP FORWARD.
THE PRIVATE SECTOR HAS TO STEP UP TOO AND DEVELOP, OVER WEEK, A HEIGHTENED SENSE OF URGENCY. >> VERY BRIEFLY, ARE YOU
SURPRISED THAT PUTIN HASN'T DONE MORE TO ATTACK UKRAINE ON CYBER OR EVEN US? >> I HAVE. I EXPECTED A MUCH MORE SUBSTANTIAL ON UKRAINE GOING IN. THEY HAVE STARTED THAT TO SOME AND THERE WERE ATTACKS AT THE BEGINNING UKRAINIAN BANKS.
THERE WILL BE MORE OF AND THE DANGER IS THAT PUTIN IS CORNERED. HE MADE A MAJOR MISCALCULATION. AND HE'S A GUY THAT DOESN'T ADMIT ERROR. VERY MUCH.
BUT THE REALITY IS, AS I SAID AT THE BEGINNING, I FEAR THEY'RE GOING TO TURN THIS INTO ANOTHER WHERE THEY CARPET BOMB CIVILIANS. AND AS PUTIN GETS ANGRIER AND ANGRIER AND LASHES OUT, I THINK THAT'S THE MOST IMMEDIATE DANGER AND THE SECONDARY DANGER IS HE LASHES OUT AT THE WEST. PROBABLY IN . WE'VE ALREADY SEEN CHANGES IN TERMS OF GAS PRICES AND ENERGY PRICES GENERALLY. I WORRY ABOUT , WHICH I THINK IS SOMETHING THEY HAVE TO BE CONTEMPLATING AS PART OF PUTIN'S PLAYBOOK. >> AS YOU KNOW, LEGISLATION REQUIRING CRITICAL
INFRASTRUCTURE OWNERS TO REPORT TO THE GOVERNMENT WHEN THEY FACE . WE WERE TALKING TO ANN NEWBERGER A FEW MINUTES AGO ABOUT INCREASED COOPERATION. HOW MICROSOFT DISCOVERED MALWARE AND NOTIFIED NOTIFIED UKRAINE. AND HELPED DISARM THE MALWARE. IS THERE ENOUGH COOPERATION AND DO WE NEED MORE? >> WELL, THE BILL THAT PASSED
LAST NIGHT IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT CYBER PIECES OF LEGISLATION IN THE PAST TEN YEARS. IT'S BEEN A MISSING PIECE. WE'RE NEVER GOING TO BE INVULNERABLE BECAUSE THE CYBER REALM EVOLVES CONTINUOUSLY. I HAVE TO SAY A LOT OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAN DO A LOT AND WE ARE DOING A LOT. BUT CYBER DEFENSE STARTS AT THE DESK TOP. 85% OF START WITH SOMEBODY CLICKING ON A FISHING EMAIL. AND PEOPLE HAVE TO BEAR THAT IN MIND.
AND HE'S GOTTEN OUT IN FRONT OF THE WORLD ON AND HE'S GOING TO PAY A VERY HEAVY PRICE. I JUST HOPE THEY CAN FIND AN OFF RAMP. IF HE'S SMART, THAT'S WHAT HE'LL DO. HE'S ALREADY LOST UKRAINE.
UKRAINE WILL NEVER BE PART OF RUSSIA, GIVEN WHAT THEY'VE DONE TO THAT COUNTRY. LIKE HE'S LOSING GREAT GROUND IN TERMS OF THE ECONOMY. THE QUESTION IS DOES HE CARE ABOUT THE EFFECT ON THE RUSSIAN PEOPLE? HE'S GOING TO HAVE HIS MERCEDES.
SO, THE QUESTION IS WILL THE SANCTIONS ACTUALLY EFFECT HIM? HOPEFULLY IT'S GOING TO START TO PENETRATE HIS INNER CIRCLE AND HE'LL START LISTENING.
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